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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 13:26:56 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Timbo</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Did anyone catch this documentary on BBC yesterday?<br /><br />It was all about politics, high finance ,Ayn Rand, globalisation and COMPUTERS.<br /><br />I am still trying to get my head around it as it encompasses the 1950's to the present day.<br /><br />What did everyone think? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 13:34:33 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ EDIT: Oops wrong thread.  But, do you have a link to this, it sounds fascinating? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:06:41 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Sorry here is a link.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011lvb9<br /><br />sorry could not add it live using the /link<br /><br />Not sure if the iplayer works outside the US.<br /><br />Below is Blurb from site <br /><br />A series of films about how humans have been colonised by the machines they have built. Although we don't realise it, the way we see everything in the world today is through the eyes of the computers.<br /><br />This is the story of the dream that rose up in the 1990s that computers could create a new kind of stable world. They would bring about a new kind global capitalism free of all risk and without the boom and bust of the past. They would also abolish political power and create a new kind of democracy through the internet where millions of individuals would be connected as nodes in cybernetic systems - without hierarchy.<br /><br />The film tells the story of two perfect worlds. One is the small group of disciples around the novelist Ayn Rand in the 1950s. They saw themselves as a prototype for a future society where everyone could follow their own selfish desires. The other is the global utopia that digital entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley set out to create in the 1990s. Many of them were also disciples of Ayn Rand. They believed that the new computer networks would allow the creation of a society where everyone could follow their own desires, yet there would not be anarchy. They were joined by Alan Greenspan who had also been a disciple of Ayn Rand. He became convinced that the computers were creating a new kind of stable capitalism - "Like a New Planet", he said.<br /><br />But the dream of stability in both worlds would be torn apart by the two dynamic human forces - love and power ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:22:03 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ It's an Adam Curtis thing, his stuff is always brain bending. 'The Power of Nightmares' really should be required viewing. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:37:37 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I binged on all his previous works last week in prep for this and loved them unreservedly. But this... it seems an awful lot like he's trying to force his own lack of comprehension/fear of non-hierarchical networks into his existing theories, with dodgy results. Half smart connections - half get-off-my-lawn. Where he's right, he's very right - the pernicious influence of Rand in Silicon Valley is certainly an aspect of that culture - but he stretches that, I think, way too far. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:39:06 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >'The Power of Nightmares' really should be required viewing.<blockquote ><br /><br />in all schools everywhere.<br /><br />saving this new one for the weekend when i have more brainspace.</blockquote></blockquote> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:39:21 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Shhh... watching it right now... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:46:57 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Just watched it...not great. Somewhat disappointingly vague and forced, occasionally. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:54:40 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ just watched it too. I didn't know about the link between Greenspan and Ayn Rand. And the parts about Rand's life and Silicon valley culture was fascinating.<br /><br />But I will say that the linking of The 90's economic crisis in SE Asia and The Monica Lewinsky Affair as part of a connected repulsion of Randian idealology and rational stability was tenacious at best.<br /><br />Great choices on the music though.... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 16:02:19 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ For all the our American friends missing out ..apparently its on the net.....<br /><br /><br /><strong >All Watched over by Machines of Loving Grace [ep1]-</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c" ></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Remember this is a series.Not a standalone documentary.<br />And it starts slow and knits knits knits things together.I watched <br />it analogue stylee when it aired, and it's no less awesome.<br /><br /><br />They just need to release a big comprehensive <br />Adam Curtis Blu-ray/dvd box set.<br /><br /><br />What I got from watching this all the way through was Rand was basically <br />a very very lonely person. But unlike other lonely people she had the intellect to<br />construct a philosphy around her loneliness.She used it to create the facade that<br />humans didn't need anyone. <strong >A sort of defiance against the loneliness.</strong><br /><br />Thing is everyone else ran with it. And extrapoliated on it <br />and it became something else.<br /><br />I felt she was vunerable person putting up a hard front.it was shown to be a  <br />facade when it crumbled when she had that weird affair.<br /><br /><br />Heri Mkocha<br />http://www.youtube.com/thearklight ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 17:29:31 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>ScottBieser</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Haven't watched this doco but I've noticed a lot of people like to make a bigger deal out of Greenspan's association with Rand than was really there. <br /><br />Greenspan was part of Rand's "Inner Circle" for a bit less than 18 months. While he was associated with Rand he penned an article which decried central banking in general, the Federal Reserve in particular, and called for a return of the gold standard. After he left Rand's circle he apparently also abandoned his opposition to central banking and joined the "monetarist" camp of free-marketers of which Milton Friedman was the best-known advocate. The monetarists support central banking and only criticize the Fed for sometimes getting things wrong. Rand, on the contrary, was closer to the so-called "Austrian School" of free-marketers, so-called because their leading advocates (Hayek, Von Mises) hailed from Vienna but were forced to flee to Britain and the U.S., respectively, by the Nazis. Greenspan's change of direction was certainly a good career move for himself -- not so much for the rest of us.<br /><br />The differences between the monetarists and the Austrians probably seem quite trivial to socialists, but among the free-marketers, it is very deep divide. Essentially, the banking system failure of 2008 vindicated the contention of the Austrians that central-banking manipulations create a series of booms and busts that must eventually result in a snow-balling of desperate measures to ward off recession, leading finally to monetary collapse. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 17:34:13 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Soviet Rocket No. 9</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Has the second part, "How the idea of the ecosystem worked" aired on the BBC? <br /><br />I do agree with bob.  How exactly does the Lewinsky scandal tie to the SE Asia crisis, except that they both happened at the same time, but both had no effect on the other? <br /><br />Also, why didn't the doc peek in Ayn's life, before she began writing?  I would love to know why she believed in her ideologies, since it looks like it was based upon her previous experiences. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 18:21:42 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <strong >@lemon laser betty</strong> -that is the first and only episode so far till next weeks.<br /><br /><br />I agree that i'd like to know about her upbringing and social life.<br /><strong >Ayn Rand seemed very hard on the outside</strong>, but those sad eyes gave it away.<br />She didn't really want to be an all conquering, heroic,rational loner.<br />No matter what she said.<br /><br />And as her circle fell apart, this became more apparent.<br /><br />This doesn't dilute any achievements by the people inspired by her<br />ideas and books.Just saying she was lonely and in that wierd human <br />spiteful way of saying "I don't need anyone!" after your spouse leaves,<br />her huge mind created a movement.<br /><br />Heri Mkocha<br />http://www.youtube.com/thearklight ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 19:26:23 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>MagicSword!</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Really looking forward to this, and I'll watch it as soon as I have the chance.<br /><br />I'm not all that surprised that it seems like he's 'stretching' at times. I really loved The Trap, but I certainly felt like every now and then he made some odd jumps that didn't exactly ring true. So I think I'll probably take a lot away from it, but I won't buy into it all and I'll enjoy his actual 'films' for the fantastic dream-like art that they are in themselves. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 19:33:46 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Alan Tyson</author>
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			<![CDATA[ On the ties between the Lewinsky Affair and the S.E. Asia Crisis: I don't think the implication is that one caused, or even directly affected, the other, but rather that, because the Affair was taking up so much of the President's time and energy, that little could be done to wrest power back from the Treasury and possibly stabilize the crisis in Asia. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 21:18:32 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ The source of the title:<br /><br />http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/freePoems/allWatchedOver.htm<br /><br /><em >"The other is the global utopia that digital entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley set out to create in the 1990s. Many of them were also disciples of Ayn Rand."</em><br /><br />I don't buy it. I followed all that cyber revolution stuff pretty closely in the 1990s. I <em >worked</em> in Silicon Valley. I also know a few Objectivists. Yeah, there may be a bit of Venn Diagram connectivity there, but the intersection is really shallow. <br /><br />We're talking about two very different types of crazy. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:00:24 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ StefanJ:<br />Concur re. the Silly Valley crowd. Spent time out there when dating the lady who was to become wife-the-shaman, who lived in a nerd colony in Cupertino in early 90's, 5 minutes walk from Apple HQ. Though there was a lot of arrogance & Horatio Alger up-by-the-bootstraps thinking (it was the first place where I heard someone refer to the US as a meritocracy, with no irony), the trend was usually far more towards Heinlein-libertarianism than the Randian kind.<br />(Now if he'd done a piece on Heinlein's influence on geeks...) ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 04:10:20 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Will Ellwood</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >(Now if he'd done a piece on Heinlein's influence on geeks...) </blockquote><br /><br />You'd probably want to start lining Heinlein readers against a wall....<br /><br />I'm going to watch All Watched Over this afternoon because I'm delaying a trip to a botanical garden until the weather isn't threatening to piss it down while I'm reading under a tree. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 04:35:44 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Will:<br />Like the saying goes... there's 2 kinds of libertarian - the kind that don't realise Heinlein wrote fiction and the kind that don't realise Rand wrote fiction. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 07:26:34 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Will Ellwood</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Just watched it...not great. Somewhat disappointingly vague and forced, occasionally. </blockquote><br />Yeah, that's how I feel about All Watched Over. It's somewhere above a Michael Moore documentary. As Cat said, when he's right he's right, but also not saying anything new. On the basis of the first episode, it's a polemic, and not a documentary. I'd like to see more evidence being presented in All Watched Over instead of hip-hop montages and awkwardly edited interviews. It would be boring, not a piece of infotainment, instead it would be accurate. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 07:39:35 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://zine.openrightsgroup.org/reviews/2011/how-computers-have-helped-to-consolidate-power" >This review at Open Rights Group</a> raises some of the points I noted.<br /><br />I should also add that whatever reservations I have about this particular series (or at least, episode) Curtis' skill as a documentary-maker is considerable. Parts of his work remind me of Orson Welles' <em >F For Fake</em>, and there's no higher praise than that. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 10:25:25 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>city creed</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There's more detail about the series in an interview Curtis did for a Guardian <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/may/06/adam-curtis-computers-documentary" >article</a> last week in which he says, about the mass pong game:<br /><blockquote >"It was like a switch went in my head," Curtis says. "Carpenter saw it as a world of freedom with order. But I suddenly saw it as the opposite – like old film of workers toiling in a factory. They weren't free – they looked like disempowered slaves locked to a giant machine screen. It was a video game, which made it fun, but it still made me wonder whether power had really gone away in these self-organising systems, or if it was just a rebranding. So we became happy components in systems – and our job is to make those systems stable."</blockquote><br />So I'm puzzled as to where he's going, exactly. He rejects Rand's pure selfish individualism, but he also seemingly rejects any distributed, networked system model of human society on the basis that being a component in a system is analogous to slavery. I wonder if he has anything other than rocks to throw. Is he really shaping up to invoke dutiful obedience to hierarchical authority as the answer to the world's problems? I'm curious what makes him think that if we didn't have computers, power structures wouldn't just develop other tools to make advantage for themselves. <br />Keen to see the second episode anyway. It felt a little forced at times to me too, but generally nutritious food for thought. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 12:33:06 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>StefanJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Game designer Allen Varney did a nice whomping on Heinleinian pretensions:<br /><br />http://www.allenvarney.com/av_21st01.html ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 13:18:20 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HEY APATHY!</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I watched 'The Power of Nightmares' and really enjoyed it, definitely going to try this one later tonight.<br />If nothing else these Adam Curtis works are important because they show how easily the same stories that FOX , BBC or CBC (here in Canada) can be told in an entirely different way. Whether or not the "facts" hold up it's amazing how a re-edit, different music, and motivations can paint a whole nother story...  makes you think, I hope.<br /><br />thanks for the links! ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 15:03:37 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>JECole</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Adam Curtis Blu-ray/dvd box set</blockquote><br /><br />Highly unlikely due to clearance issues. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 15:42:33 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ ....This show is amazing. I fucking love the Beeb. Also the structure is beautiful. Reads almost as if our master himself wrote it. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 04:23:52 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Doc Ocassi</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Adam Curtis was also on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ptsjd" >Jarvis Cockers 'Sunday Service'</a> discussing shit, over the weekend,<br /><br />I need to re-watch the first episode, Frankly I find it very encouraging that these views get aired on the BBC, There are some serious discussions to be had in the world, and the more we discuss freedom of information in respect to the private lives of football stars, the more retarded we all become. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 05:23:51 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ To be honest, I stopped at the point where Ayn Rand said that Aristotle was the only philosopher that influenced her, followed that by doing a brief diss of all other previous moral philosophers, and then described her theory in terms that made it sound like a rip-off/mash-up of Bentham style utilitarianism and Kantian deontologicalism. I'm sure there is more to Ayn Rand than that (dead certain, in fact), but that definitely knocked me out of any sort of cognitive process I was getting from the documentary.<br /><br />Oddly, I have somehow managed to almost completely avoid the works of Ayn Rand throughout my philosophy minor. Maybe I should fix that at some point. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 06:59:34 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Morac:<br />It's probably more worthwhile to go the the best critique of Randianism to date - the video game Bioshock. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 07:44:09 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ I had a chance to watch it now, and actually I think it hangs together a lot better than I expected. I do think that people expecting a documentary full of well-supported arguments and clear explorations of the facts will be disappointed - but that's because I think Curtis is a polemicist more than a documentary maker. He's an amazing film maker, but this didn't seem like a documentary to me at all. It's a story, based on real world events, where he lays out the narrative that he discerns running through history. That's no bad thing, that's <em >what he does</em>.<br /><br />The Rand stuff did muddy things up a bit too much, especially when he was cutting back to her affair during the Lewinsky affair - no pertinent connection at all that I could see, it just looked good. In fact quite possibly most of the Rand stuff was only vaguely related to the stuff from Silicon Valley onwards - but it fitted in a pretty savagely critical way with Curtis's later look at the financial institutions - only working for their own benefit. I don't think there's a strong enough causal link there to justify the connection, but I do think that the similarities in philosophy between Rand, and those whose idea it is that a truly free free-market would lead to a stable world are enough for him to get away with it.<br /><br />Can't wait to see where he goes with this next week. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 13:27:39 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Timbo</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Moving away form all the Randian stuff.  I found the way Clinton's treasury secretary moved his hands during his interviews troubling. The lizard section of my brian was screaming at me not to trust him. He was one of the most smug bastards I have ever seen in my life. <br /><br />I do think that some of the links and ideas were forced but I love the fact that programmes like this are made and shown on a publicly funded TV network. Is it likely that FOX would highlight that the IMF is a tool for big business to shaft us all?<br /><br />Also given the historical "over exuberance" of Greenspan's 1990 markets do we not think that FACEBOOK's valuation at $50 billion and Skypes recent sale ($5.2 billion or whatever)  are leading but into a new dotcom bust? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 18:02:43 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>256</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Just got round to watching it - anything with a title by Richard Brautigan had to be worth a look (thumbs up @StefanJ - and cheers for the Varney link: a good read).<br /><br />There were some really interesting bits, particularly the mirror image of the 90s IMF/SE Asia bust and the 2000s China/USA property collapse. But I don't think that the argument that computers are to blame was made convincingly, or even really made relevant to most of the discussion.<br /><br />It was a beautiful bit of archive-mashup art, though - really great to see that 90s video footage used in an interesting way. Wish that some of the interviews had run longer, though.<br /><br />Also, just going to say it - I know it's been ten years, but I don't think I'm ready for <em >jump cuts to the collapse of the World Trade Center</em> yet. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:17:50 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Emperor</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Alan Tyson<br /><br /><blockquote >On the ties between the Lewinsky Affair and the S.E. Asia Crisis: I don't think the implication is that one caused, or even directly affected, the other, but rather that, because the Affair was taking up so much of the President's time and energy, that little could be done to wrest power back from the Treasury and possibly stabilize the crisis in Asia. </blockquote><br /><br />My interpretation was that, after Greenspan diverted Clinton away from his progressive policies into making cuts, he had nothing much to do with his time and ended up "doing" Lewinsky. The Treasury had already brought about a quiet coup before then. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 00:46:10 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Drew_badly</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Slight deviation but I did a mental handstand just because of the Richard Brautigan reference. There's a Brautigan docu on the way, I saw links on IMDB somewhere? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 04:20:40 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Oddly, I have somehow managed to almost completely avoid the works of Ayn Rand throughout my philosophy minor. Maybe I should fix that at some point.</blockquote><br /><br />This is largely because most phil programs teach actual philosophy and not pop philosophy shite. <br /><br />Rand was also post-Hume, and like most Western capitalist political philosophy doesn't work without Locke's Proviso, so her saying that she wasn't "inspired" by anyone but Aristotle (which is also likely based on a misreading of The Republic), is utter bullshit.<br /><br />A lot of the thought that Rand is credited for is actually compounded and argued better  by Nozick, anyway, so I'd leapfrog her and go straight to his arguments with Rawls. It's more interesting, argued better, written better, and it doesn't have that little cult that she picked up while she was still around. Also there's a great real-life circumstantial rebuke of everything he ever said.<br /><br />Libertarianism ignores some hard truths about the human condition and focuses really hard on certain other ones that kind of suck, so at least expose yourself to the better arguments for it. Rand just gets too much credit, and it's only because she was so popular.<br /><br />I'm going to catch this doc at some point just to see how he argues his point, but I feel that Free Software and Open Source are really the earnest, good kind of libertarian objectivism that gets bogged down by all the douchy incarnations thereof. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 15:01:22 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ So, judging by<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/may/29/adam-curtis-ecosystems-tansley-smuts" > his latest Guardian piece</a>, tomorrow Curtis will endeavour to prove that ecology and non-hierarchical structures aren't real because some of the founders of the model were morally dubious. Which is like proving nuclear weapons don't work because Edward Teller was a dick. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 07:02:37 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Episode 2 is online people.  Not sure if its UK only. http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b011rbws/ ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 07:32:34 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @256<br /><br />I was really surprised by the WTC jump cut too. I work for the Beeb and I'm fairly sure it's BBC policy that they don't show that again except in some pretty exceptional circumstances.<br /><br />Otherwise I agree with pretty much all the points above (having only watched Ep. 1 so far). It did strike me that to 'blame the machines' (to simplify one of his hypotheses a bit) is like blaming a typewriter for 'Mein Kampf'. It's how you programme the machines that makes a difference... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 13:55:52 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Part 2 seems a lot more focussed - I do like his drawing attention to how the cybernetic-ecological modelling went from metaphor to assumed fact. But at the same time, he seems to be convinced of the reality of his own metaphor of eco-cybernetic models being "a machine's dream"! I also find it notable that both he and several interviewees consider the idea of a 'natural balance' to be a Western mythological concept, and totally ignoring the far older Taoist formulation of same. (Though his critique of the steady-state ecological models is important to consider.)<br /><br />There seems to be an element of old-fashioned elitist white-man arrogance tinging everything here (ironic, considering his well-observed notes on the dodginess of the 'holism' model of Smutts) - especially in regard to attempts to find non-hierarchical or less-hierarchical structures for human conduct. At times he seems to say individualism is bad and connected groups are bad simultaneously... and take this somehow as a negation of the sacred precepts of Enlightenment thought. <br /><br />(He also seems to avoid noting things like Bucky Fuller's geodisic domes <em >worked</em>, the computer net <em >works</em> system analysis models are<em > useful</em>... or that there's a difference between, say, using Twitter and like networks and considering oneself to be <em >solely</em> a node in a network.)<br /><br />I'm not saying the ideas he's examining are immune to criticism or adjustment, far from it - but his attempt to do so seems both superficial and patriarchal. But I'll hold judgement until I've seen the whole thing, especially how he wraps it all up. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 16:05:52 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Mercer Finn</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Agreed, part one's links between Ayn Rand -> Love of Machines -> Market Fundamentalism sounded a bit dodge. And agreed, part two is a lot more focused. What annoyed me there was the suggestion that the Limits to Growth crew elided steady state with support for the status quo, when clearly, Jay Forrester wanted "a man-made equilibrium of our choice". Sounds like a radical interventionist political programme, that. Nothing like Smutt's Holism in the 30s or communes in the 60s... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 01:17:52 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>MagicSword!</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I thought the jump in episode 2 at the end - from the failure of ecological models to the directionless revolutions of the 21st century was odd. But then, like a lot of his points in this series I expect the idea is not that there was a direct link, but that the concept of global ecology has seeded the idea of self-governing networks into peoples' heads, and he'll look more at that when he ties things up next week.<br /><br />Also I really don't see that he is blaming the machines in this series. Any personification of the machines that he's doing would seem to be for dramatic or artistic purposes. The criticisms he's making seem to me to be aimed at those who turned the processing power that became available to them in the latter part of the 20th century into a new way to see and to run the world. Some of them for idealist purposes, and possibly some of them because it would entrench them in power. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:23:43 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>JECole</author>
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			<![CDATA[ The final episode of the series was one of the most chilling and depressing hours of TV i have <strong >ever</strong> seen.<br /><br />Jesus H Christ........ ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:17:20 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Will Ellwood</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I need a hug and to be told everything will be all right after watching that. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:51:37 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>JECole</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I need a fucking drink and a shag is what i need... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:21:12 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Flabyo</author>
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			<![CDATA[ They had it on in the pub where I was commiserating our E3 output, albiet without the sound. I think it might even be worse in silence than with the Curtis monologue... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 06:23:48 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bjacques</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I missed the middle episode, but my takeaways were:<br /><br />- Trying to definitively nail down human behavior makes you crazy<br />- Unintended consequences of humanitarian intervention are likely, approaching certainty when you ignore the record of earlier interventions<br />- Playing Dungeons & Dragons and reading loads of Ayn Rand in the late 1970s helped to make sense of the last 20 years.<br /><br />But I think this should have been at least two different documentaries. I thought the first part could pretty much stand on its own. I can't say anything about the second part. The third seemed like he couldn't decide whether people are machine-like or ape-like. If both, the connection should have been clearer. But then again, if behavioral scientists lost their sanity over the question, then Curtis got off lightly, I guess. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:53:36 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>arklight</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <strong >Ok all the episodes of "all watched over by machines of loving grace"....</strong><br /><br /><br /><strong >Episode one:</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c" ></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><strong >Episode two:</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq0xVuRG4ng" ></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><strong >Episode three [final episode]:</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJYkkxh0rk" ></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Heri Mkocha<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/thearklight ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:04:07 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>screaming meat</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Watched it last night on catch-up. Tried to take my mind off it with a quick bout of LA Noire. Remembered where all the coltan probably came from.  <br /><br />Excellent series, mind. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:19:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Timbo</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @jecole  <br /><br />We are all fucked!<br /><br />If you want to be more depressed/skullfucked watch Mr Curtis's doc "The Trap" about game theory and cold war politics and RD Laing & Margaret Thatcher amongst other things. <br /><br />Your cock will never work again.  <br /><br />That said it does make reference to "Beautiful Minds" whack job John Nash and his parlour game called "Fuck you Buddy". Sadly he was behind much cold war theorising that has lead to the nations states we live in behaving in paranoid way that they do ( he was a paranoid schizophrenic - but they did know that when they employed him).<br /><br />Clouds - silver linings. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:51:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>JECole</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @ Timbo<br /><br />I have all of Mr Curtis's documentary's downloaded in a folder on my hard drive.  I try to watch them all at least once ever four months.  They remind me to keep my eyes open, ask questions and <strong >think</strong>. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:57:36 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Timbo</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @jecole <br /><br />They are very very good.  It is amazing as many have said before here that they are released by the BBC. We can only hope that the majority of people who see them are affected in the same way.  <br /><br />I am already looking forward to Mr Curtis's next opus. <br /><br />Less slow mo shots of Hilary Clinton would be welcome though. ]]>
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		<author>Verissimus</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There's part Heart of Darkness, part Philip K Dick, and a bit of the Book of Revelations in there. <br /><br />Lots of interesting stuff, but as a whole it doesn't make much sense to me. All the connections seem flimsy thin, and I disagree with the conclusions he's drawing. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 12:02:42 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ I finally managed to watch them all, took me a few goes as my ability to stay conscious is kind of challenged due to insane working hours at the moment, but thought it was really a beautiful and haunting series, if utterly horrific. The link between the horrors in the Congo and the coltan in playstations was spinechilling - I've read that before, but when the point is made visually like that rather than in a sober New Scientist article it's so much more powerful. <br /><br /><br />Perhaps one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was a call centre in Doncaster, I was being shown around by one of the managers. I'd previously only seen a part of the centre that was occupied by people working for my company - it was a closed area, open plan, but with a low ceiling, and I felt, a perfectly OK environment to work in. I was taken up to a mezzanine floor and led to the balcony. Below me, it felt like as far as I could see, were hundreds and hundreds of people on phones. It looked like a Gorsky picture or that scene from the Matrix with all the people in pods. The noise was incredible. I actually nearly fainted, it freaked me out so badly. The thought of so many people treated as not much more mechanical units in a big, inhuman machine is terrifying. And of course, multiplied worldwide to the factories making clothes and phones etc. I guess in a way it's better than people being worked to death on farms or starving, but it's depressing all the same - can't we do better than that? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:28:30 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>StefanJ</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <em >"can't we do better than that?"</em><br /><br />What are ya, some kind of commie who wants ta take away our freedoms?<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7CLLBZpT_Q" ></a>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7CLLBZpT_Q ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:47:59 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ pass the cyanide down here please... don't hog it all... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:45:14 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Ben Johnson</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Some of you might appreciate this half-hour radio interview with Curtis about the series.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sKCDl5Br4g" ></a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:16:41 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ a pretty decent payoff in the end. The machines<div id="hide" > he was referring to wasn't the internet, or computers, but us and our genentic code.</div><br /><br />It wasn't quite as well thought out as "The Trap" or "Power of Nightmares", but i think it was certainly THE most depressing thing i've seen in a while.<br /><br />We're fucked.... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:49:32 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ It's depressing but I agree the connections seem limited or far reaching. Then again, connections was a big part of the second one. Despite it all, I blame the idiots in power. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:24:50 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @ Ben Johnson:  Thanks for this.  I greatly enjoyed it. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 03:05:17 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There's a German word - <em >eigengedankengang</em> - which roughly means a chain of ideas connected in your head, which only really make sense to you and you alone. I think that's my one-word review of this series. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 07:08:10 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @Cat Vincent<br /><br />Agreed. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:59:53 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <strong >@Cat Vincent and Mercer Finn</strong><br /><br /><strong >I disagree, i think he's onto something.</strong><br /><br />He hasn't created a  new ideology. Or uncovered one. He's<br />instead shown the problem with most ideologies in that they<br />are created in their own space with little dashes to reality before<br />coming back to their own space.<br /><br />But once out there...these ideologies no matter what they are,<br />no matter how right they think they are interact with the<br />outside world,mutate,have children, and make unlikely connections.<br /><br />These unlikely connections is what he's basically uncovering. This is the truth<br />of the world we live in, everything is connected together in bizarre ways<br />and even stupid events can affect large serious events in profound ways.<br />But when the scholars write their books backing one idea over another<br />they tend to edit out these stupid , bizarre events that may have formed<br />the backbone of the ideas they love.<br /><br />Like the fact that Ayn Rand may have written a great inspirational book about<br />human en devour and emotional self sufficiency. Because deep down she was lonely,<br />and didn't want to admit it. So she evolved lonely self sufficiency into a whole<br />way of life.<br /><br />Or the fact the financial markets fell apart because rather then being rational<br />players as economic theories sometimes tell us when the full brunt of open markets<br />is brought upon us,that people will make irrational, illogic,sometimes <br />criminal decisions that affect you and me.Just to get <br />that yacht they've dreamed of. <br /><br />Or that Asia's Economy and Societies got screwed because Bill Clinton <br />was preoccupied with Monica and some Finance boys got to make decisions<br />so far outside their remit into areas of social policy and society.<br /><br />His documentaries are a sort of leveler against the clean spick and spam<br /> "looking back documentaries" that gloss over alot of important details.<br /> Im sure all of you have watched a documentary programme re-telling a<br /> moment in time you've lived through and you've thought what the ?**!!. <br />As they've completely edited out huge chunks of your era just to get their angle. <br /><br /><br />Heri Mkocha<br />http://www.youtube.com/thearklight ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:21:30 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @arklight. agreed. Oh and gracious thanks for uploading those three episodes.  Next time you're in the states, hit me up and I will buy you, your favorite poisonous thing to drink. <br /><br />Though I agree with bob, that "nightmares" was better, this one explains why we are at this terrible point, and the possible aftermath to come.  <br /><br />Now I need a cigarette, a drink, and a floozie who doesn't care. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:28:28 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HEY APATHY!</author>
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			<![CDATA[ thanks Timbo & Arklight! finally got around to watching this.  <br /><br />Lots of interesting stuff in there. I didn't find it particularly fatalistic or depressing though. Everyone always says things like "This is  how it is", " It's not my problem"  or "The world is fucked , that's just reality" but the only way to change attitudes or ideas is to investigate them,  question them, become informed, which is what this series attempts to do. Just the fact that he is trying to discover the roots of problems is an optimistic act in itself and I don't think Curtis is saying that the <em >selfish gene </em> exists so much as that it is part of a prevalent ideology that permits  nihilistic actions such as murdering people for playstations. <br /><br />Anyways the shows are full of curious ideas and get my brain going regardless of Curtis' opinions, goals,  or difficult connections. I don't even think you have to agree with him to learn from these documentries. <br /><br />THANKS AGAIN FOR THE LINKS! ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:18:23 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I could buy Arklight's position if Curtis didn't start each episode with telling us what "We" have been thinking and doing. That sort of shitty generalisation to make a point does not tend, in my experience, to add to a nuanced argument. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:19:33 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Verissimus</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I find it slightly ironic that Curtis creates a powerful nightmare of his own here...or rather, the documentary strikes me as something he put together after a particularly haunting nightmare he had himself one night. The main message seems to be that the enlightenment/the modern age/capitalism has led to an overwhelming consensus that we're machines, and therefore we cannot be moral, and because we're convinced of this we don't give a shit anymore and we become selfish monsters who go on fighting and killing each other in order to spread our own selfish genes. It's almost a Greek tragedy where hubris is the source of some terrible vengeance from above. That, with a bit of "oh my God the machines are taking over we are doomed" sci-fi mixed in...<br /><br />There is some truth in all of that but I think it's not so absolute as it seems from this documentary. On one level human beings are "just" animals, but it can't be denied that we're also moral creatures, who try (and are able) to do good. We are constantly moving on an axis between those two extremes, ultimate selfishness or sociopathy and ultimate selflessness or altruism, and while it cannot be said that we're entirely good, the opposite, that we're predestined to do evil, is also wrong. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:19:03 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Cat Vincent</author>
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			<![CDATA[ And here is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg" >the perfect criticism of Adam Curtis, in the form of a YouTube short.</a> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:17:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>arklight</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Lotsa issues here!<br /><strong ><br />THE LINKS:</strong><br /><br />first one i'd like to clear up is the videos i linked to are from<br />Tarabgs wonderful youtube channel....<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/tarabg<br /><br />Youtube is my kind of social network environment!<br /><br />Pretty much the majority of Adam Curtis's work is <br />also at this youtube channel...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/repikkoorb<br /><br /><br /><strong >THE PROGRAMME:</strong><br /><br />I get the feeling that alot of people watched the series and got completely different<br />and specific things from the documentaries. Very much like a <strong >David Lynch</strong> film<br />where as soon as the lights go up everyone turns around to "check notes".<br /><br />In fact David Lynch's unique approach to the usual rules of editing,story and communicating an<br />idea is a good comparison. <br /><br />What I got  was unlike 90 percent of the polemic filmmakers out there, he's not<br />ramming home the Adam Curtis theory of everything. But he's uncovered the interconnections<br />of alot of the political themes and ideas that are informing decision makers of all kinds.<br /><br />Everything he's said about these competing ideas, i've heard in other <br />documentaries and articles and lectures.the application of little understood theories <br />that in fact really reflect a person's world view.<br /><br /><br /><strong >A good example is Darwins Theory of Evolution and the idea of<br />"survival of the fittest" :</strong><br /><br />This idea a variety of people have taken and run a hundred miles with.People like<br />political leaders,eugenicists,people who like IQ testing and scholastic exams,<br />right wing nutters,and especially business leaders. <br /><br />The main part of it that they all extrapolated for their own means was<br />the theme that the strongest should be allowed to win, the strongest<br />should rule, that the weak should be allowed to fall away. That life<br />, no nature is ,a mean nasty gladiatorial contest, and that's the truth<br />so that's how society should be structured. <br /><br />In fact the theory says it's the survival of the Aptest, <br />the ones who <strong >ADAPT </strong>to their environmental conditions not who are strongest <br />are the ones who manage to survive. <br /><br />So dinosaurs huge <strong >strong</strong> scary things like T-rex die off because of their need <br />to maintain body temperature via bathing in the sun when there is a permanent winter <br />after the probable meteor strike, while<strong > weak</strong> rat like things called mammals<br />(as were at the time) who can generate their own internal warmth, survive<br />develop, evolve and take over the planet. <br /><br />This also makes Bacteria the most successful species on the planet. Not humans.<br />Since they can survive any environment including space, create progeny with<br />environmental adaptions in minutes, not thousands of years,  and will definitely <br />out survive our species.<br /><br />But this is lost on the people who make decisions, they have taken a warped<br />reading of the theory of evolution and mutated it to their own world view.<br />This also applies to the erroneous application of Networks to everything, <br />Cybernetics "you are a human robot" to everything and all the other sledge hammering<br />squeezing of  ideologies to everything. <br /><br />Which is what the documentary is highlighting as well as all the weird connections,<br />well springs which created all these ideas that all these decision<br /> makers loved so much. <br /><br />I like the fact its all nice and messy because that's life. That something so stupid as an affair<br />with a girl called Monica can have butterfly ripple effects on government policy.<br />If that's true and it's that messy. Then that's the truth.Don't edit it out from the official<br />version of the truth.<br /><br />I also like the fact like all David Lynch films it has no pat ending and delivers far more question<br />and thought about what you've just watched. And no I don't agree with everything in there.<br />But it is easily the most really thought provoking thing i've watched so far this year.<br /><br /><br /><strong >THE EDITING AND ARCHIVE FOOTAGE:</strong><br /><br />As for the editing techniques with archive footage he's used in all of his series, I'm a huge fan of this<br />I love the audio visual medium and i love editing. I love his usage because:<br /><br /><br />1. Its bathed in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_montage_theory" >Montage Theory of Editing </a>that came out of Russia.<br />    Rarely used in most longform audio visual pieces. And not for most of a programme.<br />    The usual <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_editing" >Continuity Theory of Editing</a> reigns supreme in practically every audio visual piece<br />     with the exception of music video and some art films.<br /><br /><br />.2 It's based on economics. Alot of the footage is public domain and anyone can use it<br />    for whatever they like.Without paying loadsa cash. The US government has also a<br />    ban on government copyright so filmmakers use alot of US federal footage of all kinds. <br />    Which is brilliant .That's how a true open government should behave. Footage extends all<br />    the way from brilliant NASA pictures of Nebula to  sexy Top- Gun type macho stuff.<br /><br />I did the same thing many years ago, (before youtube!) for this video <strong >using public domain <br />archive footage....</strong><br /><br /><br /><br /><strong >JJ Appleby - "Situation"</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikS8adbuUzs" ></a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Heri Mkocha<br />http://www.youtube.com/thearklight ]]>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >The usual Continuity Theory of Editing reigns supreme in practically every audio visual piece<br />with the exception of music video and some art films.</blockquote><br />Yes. I think part of the problem people are having with Curtis's films (and this is pretty explicit in that parody) is that they insist on interpreting the films as if they were a narrative, with Curtis giving us some kind of causal connection, where Ayn Rand caused Bill Clinton to have sex with Monica Lewinsky which caused the financial crisis. If you try and build this kind of causal connection out of Curtis's montages, it's pretty clear you get nonsense. But Curtis's method is almost the opposite of a narrative, he's talking about the fortuitous ways ideas get taken up and used, which are often completely the opposite of what the original creators of the ideas thought they were doing. So the lack of connection, the jump of the montage, is the point. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:19:51 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Beamish</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There might be too much work involved but I enjoyed the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/adrenalinemob?ref=ts&sk=app_190322544333196" >Adrenaline Mob</a> teaser was good. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:33:30 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HEY APATHY!</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @ Cat Vincent - too harsh a criticism, it misses all the fun stuff in those films that we don't get anywhere else<br /><br />Curtis' documentries introduce a lot of neat ideas, people and situations that all deserve to be <em >discussed and examined </em><em >further</em>. It's sort of like an introduction to alternative theory/media/history. I really like the films because I discover all sorts of strange things, not because I necessarily believe in his connections or "narratives".   For example I never heard of George Price before and I think the story of his life is very funny, nor had I  heard of Richard Brautigan's poem "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" which I really enjoy. Curtis has a good palette for the weird. ]]>
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