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  1.  (9891.41)
    I thought the jump in episode 2 at the end - from the failure of ecological models to the directionless revolutions of the 21st century was odd. But then, like a lot of his points in this series I expect the idea is not that there was a direct link, but that the concept of global ecology has seeded the idea of self-governing networks into peoples' heads, and he'll look more at that when he ties things up next week.

    Also I really don't see that he is blaming the machines in this series. Any personification of the machines that he's doing would seem to be for dramatic or artistic purposes. The criticisms he's making seem to me to be aimed at those who turned the processing power that became available to them in the latter part of the 20th century into a new way to see and to run the world. Some of them for idealist purposes, and possibly some of them because it would entrench them in power.
    • CommentAuthorJECole
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2011
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    The final episode of the series was one of the most chilling and depressing hours of TV i have ever seen.

    Jesus H Christ........
  2.  (9891.43)
    I need a hug and to be told everything will be all right after watching that.
    • CommentAuthorJECole
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2011
     (9891.44)
    I need a fucking drink and a shag is what i need...
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2011
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    They had it on in the pub where I was commiserating our E3 output, albiet without the sound. I think it might even be worse in silence than with the Curtis monologue...
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      CommentAuthorbjacques
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2011
     (9891.46)
    I missed the middle episode, but my takeaways were:

    - Trying to definitively nail down human behavior makes you crazy
    - Unintended consequences of humanitarian intervention are likely, approaching certainty when you ignore the record of earlier interventions
    - Playing Dungeons & Dragons and reading loads of Ayn Rand in the late 1970s helped to make sense of the last 20 years.

    But I think this should have been at least two different documentaries. I thought the first part could pretty much stand on its own. I can't say anything about the second part. The third seemed like he couldn't decide whether people are machine-like or ape-like. If both, the connection should have been clearer. But then again, if behavioral scientists lost their sanity over the question, then Curtis got off lightly, I guess.
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      CommentAuthorarklight
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2011 edited
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    Ok all the episodes of "all watched over by machines of loving grace"....


    Episode one:





    Episode two:





    Episode three [final episode]:






    Heri Mkocha

    http://www.youtube.com/thearklight
  3.  (9891.48)
    Watched it last night on catch-up. Tried to take my mind off it with a quick bout of LA Noire. Remembered where all the coltan probably came from.

    Excellent series, mind.
    • CommentAuthorTimbo
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2011
     (9891.49)
    @jecole

    We are all fucked!

    If you want to be more depressed/skullfucked watch Mr Curtis's doc "The Trap" about game theory and cold war politics and RD Laing & Margaret Thatcher amongst other things.

    Your cock will never work again.

    That said it does make reference to "Beautiful Minds" whack job John Nash and his parlour game called "Fuck you Buddy". Sadly he was behind much cold war theorising that has lead to the nations states we live in behaving in paranoid way that they do ( he was a paranoid schizophrenic - but they did know that when they employed him).

    Clouds - silver linings.
    • CommentAuthorJECole
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2011
     (9891.50)
    @ Timbo

    I have all of Mr Curtis's documentary's downloaded in a folder on my hard drive. I try to watch them all at least once ever four months. They remind me to keep my eyes open, ask questions and think.
    • CommentAuthorTimbo
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2011
     (9891.51)
    @jecole

    They are very very good. It is amazing as many have said before here that they are released by the BBC. We can only hope that the majority of people who see them are affected in the same way.

    I am already looking forward to Mr Curtis's next opus.

    Less slow mo shots of Hilary Clinton would be welcome though.
  4.  (9891.52)
    There's part Heart of Darkness, part Philip K Dick, and a bit of the Book of Revelations in there.

    Lots of interesting stuff, but as a whole it doesn't make much sense to me. All the connections seem flimsy thin, and I disagree with the conclusions he's drawing.
  5.  (9891.53)
    I finally managed to watch them all, took me a few goes as my ability to stay conscious is kind of challenged due to insane working hours at the moment, but thought it was really a beautiful and haunting series, if utterly horrific. The link between the horrors in the Congo and the coltan in playstations was spinechilling - I've read that before, but when the point is made visually like that rather than in a sober New Scientist article it's so much more powerful.


    Perhaps one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was a call centre in Doncaster, I was being shown around by one of the managers. I'd previously only seen a part of the centre that was occupied by people working for my company - it was a closed area, open plan, but with a low ceiling, and I felt, a perfectly OK environment to work in. I was taken up to a mezzanine floor and led to the balcony. Below me, it felt like as far as I could see, were hundreds and hundreds of people on phones. It looked like a Gorsky picture or that scene from the Matrix with all the people in pods. The noise was incredible. I actually nearly fainted, it freaked me out so badly. The thought of so many people treated as not much more mechanical units in a big, inhuman machine is terrifying. And of course, multiplied worldwide to the factories making clothes and phones etc. I guess in a way it's better than people being worked to death on farms or starving, but it's depressing all the same - can't we do better than that?
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeJun 9th 2011
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    "can't we do better than that?"

    What are ya, some kind of commie who wants ta take away our freedoms?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7CLLBZpT_Q
  6.  (9891.55)
    pass the cyanide down here please... don't hog it all...
  7.  (9891.56)
    Some of you might appreciate this half-hour radio interview with Curtis about the series.

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    a pretty decent payoff in the end. The machines
    he was referring to wasn't the internet, or computers, but us and our genentic code.


    It wasn't quite as well thought out as "The Trap" or "Power of Nightmares", but i think it was certainly THE most depressing thing i've seen in a while.

    We're fucked....
    • CommentAuthorRyan C
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2011
     (9891.58)
    It's depressing but I agree the connections seem limited or far reaching. Then again, connections was a big part of the second one. Despite it all, I blame the idiots in power.
    • CommentAuthorJECole
    • CommentTimeJun 10th 2011
     (9891.59)
    @ Ben Johnson: Thanks for this. I greatly enjoyed it.
  9.  (9891.60)
    There's a German word - eigengedankengang - which roughly means a chain of ideas connected in your head, which only really make sense to you and you alone. I think that's my one-word review of this series.