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    • CommentAuthordarrylayo
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2011
     (9904.1)
    I eagerly anticipate this change and hope that it'll be permanent

    I like how Wonder Woman looks to be the strongest team, out of the gate.
    • CommentAuthorRobson
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2011
     (9904.2)
    I'm planning on sampling a bunch of these, though the Simone/van Sciver FIRESTORM is the only title (of the ones announced) I'm adding to the pull-list. Hoping for an anthology book of self-contained stories (though I'm keen on looking at the Deadman arc that's kicking off DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS). Picking up the first issues of DCUP, JL, JLI (I really like the Donna Troy costume here), THE SAVAGE HAWKMAN, and MISTER TERRIFIC (and I'd love to see the latter two work).
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      CommentAuthorEdwin
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2011
     (9904.3)
    It seems Jim Lee gets to de Heroes Reborn again, but with a much bigger cast. And Grant Morrisons “Multiversity.” is about a year from now, so I'm guessing a years worth of stories.

    DC is always more fun when they get to do weird stuff.
  4.  (9904.4)
    DC have released some info on the Justice League digital/print combo - with decreasing digital prices over time too!
    On Wednesday, August 31st, DC Comics will make publishing history again with their first-ever comic book combo pack. Each issue of JUSTICE LEAGUE, by New York Times bestselling writer and DC Entertainment Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns and bestselling artist and DC Comics Co-Publisher Jim Lee, will be available in a convenient combo pack including a print edition and digital version of the comic book.

    Those who want a physical copy of JUSTICE LEAGUE to read and collect, as well as the ability to download it onto their favorite device for easy transport, get ready. Each print edition of the comic book and an individual code for digital download will be wrapped in a poly bag and available for $4.99. Separately, the standard version will retail for $3.99 and the digital version will retail for $3.99.

    “As we continue to expand our readership and make our titles more accessible to readers everywhere, we’re excited to provide our comic shop retail partners and their consumers with multiple formats of JUSTICE LEAGUE in one convenient place,” said John Rood, EVP Sales, Marketing and Business Development.

    Not only will Johns and Lee be collaborating for the first time, but their contemporary take on the origin of the comic book industry’s premier superhero team will be available in DC Comics’ historic first comic book combo pack.

    Both digital and print editions of DC’s comics will have parity pricing for the first four weeks of release; thereafter, the digital titles drop in price down to our standard 1.99 digital price point. Oversized issues, including JUSTICE LEAGUE #1, will start at $3.99 and drop to $2.99 after four weeks.
  5.  (9904.5)
    Bob Wayne said:
    And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is.

    So, what about the Old DCU? Sounds more and more like Heroes Reborn.
    • CommentAuthorSBarrett
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2011
     (9904.6)
    I have not been reading much DC stuff recently, but this might actually get me to buy some more.

    Azzarello/Chiang on Wonder Women sounds excellent. I am looking forward to reading Sciver & Simone on Firestorm (a character I normally don't care about). I like Hawkman so I will probably give that a shot. Always like Mr. Terrific in JSA (when I read it) so I will give that a try as well.
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      CommentAuthortedcroland
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2011
     (9904.7)
    I think there's a reasonable gut reaction to anything that sounds like Heroes Reborn, but I also think that anyone whose heart sinks when they make that realization should pick it back up and understand that top-talent now means something different from top-talent at Marvel in 1996, and while I doubt that all (perhaps most?) of these titles will be successful (creatively, financially, etc), there will be good material that comes out of here, and if you're used predisposed toward capes, you're going to find something you like.
  8.  (9904.8)
    Frankly, I rarely buy singles anymore anyway, so this doesn't affect me too much. Much like others here, I tend to buy based on the writer, not the character. I've loved, loved, loved arcs on Green Lantern and Batman and Aquaman and Superman and Green Arrow and way more obscure teams (not obscure to you guys, but you know, definitely not Trinity-level names). However, this was either because the story itself sounded crazy enough to work, or the writer on it was someone I trusted/had been told to trust by trustworthy people. And the stories I want to read tend to either be in trades already or pre-destined for trades. For instance, Blackest Night, which was one of the best and most berzerker strange GL story in a long, long time, could be pre-ordered in trade form something like two issues in or something equally absurd. It seems to me that a better model might be to perhaps jack the cost of trades a bit, lower the cost of books and downloads, and offer something special within the trade like sketches or essays or stuff like that which is already covered by nicer ends. Then, offer a little code in each physical/download copy that allows you to get a discount on the trade for each issue within it you've purchased, or alternatively lets you acquire a digital copy of individual issues as they come out if you pre-purchase the trade.

    Why do I bring this up in this thread? Because this all seems to me to be a ploy, and I don't mean that in a negative sense, to get readers back into comics. The numbers are shrinking slowly but surely and DC has been on the losing end for a while. But from what I know being a recent college student is that kids my age tend to buy collections. There is this feeling that you don't want to have to scour for the beginning of your story and you don't want to have to make ten trips for the same loaf of bread, so to speak. As a long-time reader, I know the unique positions of reading a serial month-to-month and all at once and how neither is better than the other by necessity, but most people at least my age seem to skew towards wanting all the issues right now. This is a huge gamble for them to keep getting people to buy the monthlies, but the demographic they are chasing doesn't seem to be interested in monthlies at all.

    Now, younger kids I see in shops go for single issues without fail. I think we all remember that time for ourselves; you go in a shop and you find the absolute coolest cover with hopefully the coolest name and you buy it, because what matters is being taken away for 22 pages to a different place. And older buyers (saying late 20s and up, from my experience) tend to do similar, but on a more regimented following of books or story threads or writers. But still, even with digital, I can't read sign up for a prescription to have the new Batman Inc downloaded onto my Kindle every first Wednesday. I still have to manually purchase each chapter, typically in a store or a devoted website, and then I have to read it in their formats on my computer screen and not the easy-on-the-eyes Kindle.

    Their pricing strategy and release of day-and-date digital will earn them some sales and rightfully so. That change has been a long time coming. But this feels overblown in the wrong parts and half-assed in others. I mean, they took back Madame Xanadu, Constantine, and (god above) Swamp Thing, only to reboot everything. They just finished a year-long special to ressurrect Swamp Thing in order to imbue him with the White Entity to protect all life forever, and it feels rather abrupt from a narrative point of view to have a miniseries set in an altered past of the same universe be the transition away from that.

    I don't mean for this to sound like I'm complaining that comics continuity changes or shifts in weird ways. Hell, I am an unabashed fan of Crisis on Infinite Earths pretty much because of how it turned everything on its ear relatively quickly, definitely permanently, and in a way that historically was unheard of. And I hold hope that the business end of this isn't written in stone yet and can adapt a bit more and that we get some great stories out of it (I'm a closet Aquaman fan, so I'm hoping they give me more fantasy writing with him; that's always great stuff). But I have some series worries.

    Also, thank god Wonder Woman got rid of that fucking mini-jacket.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2011
     (9904.9)
    After my initial cynical comments, and on reflection, this is going to cause me to spend hundreds on it.

    Cuz, I think I'll get an iPad and then steal it all to read.

    (not serious, but I do wonder if that's what a significant number of people will do when faced with this)
  10.  (9904.10)
    "Also, thank god Wonder Woman got rid of that fucking mini-jacket."

    All this, just so Jim Lee can mea culpa that Wonder Woman design and make it better. ;)
  11.  (9904.11)
    Hitler has an opinion about the reboot:



    Der Untergang has been fertile ground for fanboy outrage/parody...
    • CommentAuthorbiglig
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2011
     (9904.12)
    Hmm, once I got over the collars on that new Justice League picture, I was struck with a thought.
    "I'm Superman. I have an oath against killing."
    "I'm the god-damned Batman. I have an oath against killing."
    "I'm Green Lantern. I have a machine gun I made with my mind."

    I mean seriously, Supes is OK standing next to someone who's machinegunning people? I'm sure Aquaman managed to bullshit him with something like "No, no, it's just the light here in the Hall of Justice that makes this look like a razor-sharp spear. It's my..er.. kingly sceptre. I have no intention of using it to decapitate people." But you think he'd notice a glowing green machine gun.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2011
     (9904.13)
    Man, DC Comics not only doesn't know what it's doing, it never knew what it was doing. (I can prove this with charts and graphs.) Superman and Wonder Woman are irreparably broken, Batman's not much better, the Flash and Green Lantern have also run out of interesting things to do or say and the B-List of the DC Universe is alternately quirky and annoying. Remember when DC used to have war comics (Sgt. Rock, the Haunted Tank, the Losers, the Unknown Soldier, Blackhawk) and Western comics (Jonah Hex*, Scalphunter, Firehair, Bat Lash, El Diablo, Cinammon) and fantasy comics (um, Amythist?) and romance comics? Yeah, they cancelled all that so they could focus on beating Marvel at their own game and then failing at that. Any of the titles I listed above (yes, even Firehair - google it, Joe Kubert worked on it) would be preferable to more tinkering with continuity and announcing a bold new direction to nowhere. Whatever happened to the Milestone revival and the Red Circle heroes? Oh, right, they failed or never even happened to begin with. Stay classy, DC.

    * So the only DC Comic I buy is Jonah Hex and the latest issue (#68) has a teaser comic for SUPER 8 AND a teaser comic for John Constantine's return to the Main DCU. I know DC wants me excited by their product but I purposefully avoid it and only buy Jonah Hex because fucking Batman isn't likely to intrude upon it. They did this a while back with a preview of, of all things, Power Girl in Jonah Hex and it just seemed .... kinda stupid. Granted, the writing team was the same so I could see why they did it but man!
    • CommentAuthornleavitt
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2011
     (9904.14)
    Mister hex, they put the same previews in every. single. comic. There isn't any targetting at all, just every DC book on the shelf with Super 8 in the middle, John Contantine at the back, and a Green Lantern movie banner accross the top of the damn cover.
    • CommentAuthorhedmeat
    • CommentTimeJun 3rd 2011
     (9904.15)
    Christ, I'm drunk. Swear I read this as DC unleashing a universe's worth of superhero titties.
  16.  (9904.16)
    Superman and Wonder Woman are irreparably broken, Batman's not much better, the Flash and Green Lantern have also run out of interesting things to do or say and the B-List of the DC Universe is alternately quirky and annoying.

    Isn't this, to some extent, the problem with the entire superhero genre? Even with generational updates every decade or so it's still just superheros being super and it affecting their personal lives. Too bad DC doesn't try cooking up a universe without superheros. Something like the Vertigo stuff from back when Vertigo was still great.
  17.  (9904.17)
    Digital would have been perfect for their Minx line.
  18.  (9904.18)
    @Neila
    Dare I ask what "Jim Lee's John Constantine" looks like? Does he have a high collar and a short leather biker jacket?
    Got it one, just about. Basically: '90's era post-Death of Superman Superboy's costume, but with blond hair, earring, cigarette, and instead of the leotard, one of those douchey shirt and tie print t-shirts and supertight black hipster jeans.
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      CommentAuthorJ.Brennan
    • CommentTimeJun 4th 2011
     (9904.19)
    @Jame Puckett: I think that's exactly right, and sad to say, that's exactly what most of the steady readers want. They piss and moan and keep right on buying the books. I like the day and date digital delivery in theory, but not at the same price-point as the print version. Also, do those digital copies have ads slapped in them?

    @DavidLejeune: You're fucking with us, right? (Please be fucking with us).
  20.  (9904.20)
    Superman and Wonder Woman are irreparably broken, Batman's not much better, the Flash and Green Lantern have also run out of interesting things to do or say and the B-List of the DC Universe is alternately quirky and annoying.


    Isn't this, to some extent, the problem with the entire superhero genre? Even with generational updates every decade or so it's still just superheros being super and it affecting their personal lives. Too bad DC doesn't try cooking up a universe without superheros. Something like the Vertigo stuff from back when Vertigo was still great.


    I wouldn't necessarily blame it on superheroes, but on how they're written. Writers work (have to work, want to work, or whatever else you can cook up) within a set of stringent parameters and deliver the work we're seeing. More freedom would be a good thing, but will the fucking fanboys want it?
    Besides you can run anything into the ground, even if it doesn't have superheroes in it. Look at Fables, I loved that series, now I couldn't care less (yes, even before they started with the superhero-thing).

    I like my superhero comics, by the way, and am genuinely looking forward to what the DCU has in store for me. If it's good,I'll keep buying it. If it's not, well there's a million other books I can keep reading.

    I don't agree with the statements that certain characters are irreparably broken. What does that even mean in a medium where you can start over infinitely? If it's broken you really can fix it, just start over.

    Concerning Vertigo, I still buy a lot of their books and they're really good (Hellblazer, DMZ, Northlanders, Scalped,...). No disrespect intended, but aren't you a little hard on present Vertigo or looking at past-Vertigo through rose-tinted glasses?

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